tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post4390211717377116739..comments2023-10-06T15:59:44.389+03:00Comments on Shearim: Tu be'Av - 15. AvMiriam Woelkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-74084906387867559192011-08-19T02:03:50.232+03:002011-08-19T02:03:50.232+03:00B'H
Yes, it's in Tractate Kiddushin. The ...B'H<br /><br />Yes, it's in Tractate Kiddushin. The truth is that if we would follow what's written in the Torah, the Talmud and Sifrei Halacha on the matter, really, we would have less frustrated people but more satisfied married couples among the Charedi world. Unfortunately, the nowadays Charedim are behaving like people from other religions who are teaching that intimacy is bad. They have invented chumros partaining to intimacy whic are mentionned NOWHERE in Sifrei Halacha, and what's written they don't follow (as if our ancestors were sinners and wrong for having permitted such and such), and last but not least, when other Charedi couples are following what's written, the fanatics are mocking them!!! If you want your marriage to be a failure, it's ok, but don't force other people to fail in their marriage too. We have the Talmud and Sifrei Halacha for guidance, and what's written was NEVER disputed. People should learn to keep their baseless (and sometimes stupid) chumros for themselves! Our only source should be the Torah and how it had been interpreted by Halachik authorities from the Talmud Era to the Acharonim, and not a self-made new religion modeled from what other religions are teaching. Judaism is not Talibanism, and there are many wonders and pearls in the Talmud and Sifrei Halacha partaining to intimacy people don't follow. No wonder there are so much disturbed married couples among us!Moshenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-22939681461314016262011-08-18T22:28:47.167+03:002011-08-18T22:28:47.167+03:00B"H
I think it says in Tractate Kiddushin. F...B"H<br /><br />I think it says in Tractate Kiddushin. Furthermore, as far as I remember, that a couple has to be naked while having sex and if the husband refuses taking off his clothes, the wife can ask for a divorce and receives fully Ketubah payment.Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-68824896047056292492011-08-18T17:17:34.438+03:002011-08-18T17:17:34.438+03:00B'H
Right! There are many things written in t...B'H<br /><br />Right! There are many things written in the Talmud many Charedim don't find appropriare for a time. An example? The Talmud and Rashi made it clear that Jews should never have sex with clothes but completely naked, and that it was the practice of Gentiles to have sex with clothes. Rashi comments on the Gemara that even when they don't have sex, they should sleep naked evey night. I don't know why and from when, many Charedim don't follow that, while it's a clear Halacha from the Talmud and that there is not even a single Posek who contradicted that Halachah. You can search, you will find nowhere that a leading Posek of the past and present said that it does not apply anymore There are a lot of other examples like that!Moshenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-67198229187912146452011-08-18T08:10:04.719+03:002011-08-18T08:10:04.719+03:00B"H
I think that people then were much more ...B"H<br /><br />I think that people then were much more liberal then, for instance, haredi Shidduch society today.:-)Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-15566522396624881502011-08-18T06:19:37.722+03:002011-08-18T06:19:37.722+03:00You say, "Then female and male Jewish singles...You say, "Then female and male Jewish singles went out into the fields finding their match."<br /><br />You ought to read more carefully the process of choosing a mate, how it happened back then, that is. Not as you describe it here - that's for sure. The way you describe it gives it a lewd connotation ("into the fields"). There was dancing, yes, and women were chosen from the swirling circle, but if you read the mishnah, you see they invoked the highest morale; Their talk was noble, meaningful discourse.<br /><br />But you make it sound they consummated their commitments there and then.in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-44381379452284685052011-08-15T22:45:12.924+03:002011-08-15T22:45:12.924+03:00B"H
Good question ! For the moment I am a ha...B"H<br /><br />Good question ! For the moment I am a happy single. <br /><br />I know it sounds like an excuse but I don't have too much time for a relationship. Unless I find someone who is willing to have crazy meeting times and lots of chaos.:-)Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-39288363725099931822011-08-15T22:35:27.789+03:002011-08-15T22:35:27.789+03:00B'H
And when are you going to find your mate?...B'H<br /><br />And when are you going to find your mate? :-)<br /><br />Or maybe you'd rather stay single?Moshenoreply@blogger.com