tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post5315520547647605033..comments2023-10-06T15:59:44.389+03:00Comments on Shearim: The Haredi DictatorshipMiriam Woelkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-86159077281674440272009-12-02T09:59:34.979+02:002009-12-02T09:59:34.979+02:00B"H
The haredi press was discussing the demo...B"H<br /><br />The haredi press was discussing the demonstration on the day after. Two days later, the subject was finished.<br /><br />However, yesterday a haredi site showed its outrage over a graffiti one of the demonstartors had drawn on a wall downtown Jerusalem.Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-38536934159535899332009-12-01T18:35:27.553+02:002009-12-01T18:35:27.553+02:00First MW writes:
"However, I can tell you tha...First MW writes:<br />"However, I can tell you that Israeli haredi websites did report about the demonstration and discussed the issues".<br />And then some coments later:<br />"who is talking about the demonstration today ? No one"<br />The same person stating opposite opinions. To me it looks a little confusing.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059323541693220192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-1596333397229188462009-12-01T09:34:09.554+02:002009-12-01T09:34:09.554+02:00B"H
That's right. Answering comments.B"H<br /><br />That's right. Answering comments.Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-49965120156134044662009-11-30T21:09:34.722+02:002009-11-30T21:09:34.722+02:00Lets be honest, who is talking about the demonstra...<i>Lets be honest, who is talking about the demonstration today ?</i><br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, you are.Warren Bursteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851196721637207769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-48114943070053825702009-11-30T12:40:32.116+02:002009-11-30T12:40:32.116+02:00B"H
I see the whole Meretz demonstration as ...B"H<br /><br />I see the whole Meretz demonstration as a PR - show. Lets be honest, who is talking about the demonstration today ? No one.<br />And it wasn't the first of this kind anyway, as they have already demonstrated a few months ago.Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-11558390374648059062009-11-30T09:31:52.884+02:002009-11-30T09:31:52.884+02:00B"H
Did the protest help anything ?
However...B"H<br /><br />Did the protest help anything ?<br /><br />However, I can tell you that Israeli haredi websites did report about the demonstration and discussed the issues. Maybe more than the participants of the demonstration would have expected. <br /><br />The opinions went into two directions: <br /><br />1. The demonstrators are right. At least in certain ways.<br /><br />2. They are wrong !<br /><br /><br />I think by calling it haredi violence, it certainly misses the point. When you look at the Litvish or groups from the Agudah, they were against any violence and did not participate at all. <br /><br />No one wants those violence but Jerusalem was, is and will be always full of tensions. Especially among the haredi world itself.Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-32443931795593012482009-11-30T06:30:23.170+02:002009-11-30T06:30:23.170+02:00I agree with Warren, and it was reported that many...I agree with Warren, and it was reported that many were protesting against the violence. If I were there I would have demonstrated myself. Violence is unacceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-19575264516366435882009-11-29T19:10:30.241+02:002009-11-29T19:10:30.241+02:00B"H
To be honest:
I didn't know the Chi...B"H<br /><br />To be honest:<br /><br />I didn't know the Chilonim were planning a demonstration. :-)<br /><br />Concerning haredi violence:<br />It looks like the police (municipality) are letting the arrested Haredim go because there is a kind of a deal. If they kept them under arrest, more fuel would be put into the flames. <br /><br />I read a comment on Ynet today where someone stated that he would kick out all Satmar, Neturei Karta and Belz out of Israel. I found that rather amuzing because the Belzer have absolutely nothing to do with Satmar or the NK. Just the opposite because the Belzer do not take part in the demonstration nor do they support them. <br /><br />Consider it all as political. Barkat can not risk too much more, as he has already done. Each side is looking for ways out and compromises. But among the haredi Mea Shearim society there is a new trend of "I am being better and stricter than all the others". Call it competition.<br /><br />As long a the Secular don't bother the Haredim, they won't bother the Secular.Miriam Woelkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627379693165339825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1451958387969081740.post-38442118986484909212009-11-29T18:26:00.132+02:002009-11-29T18:26:00.132+02:00Well you could have gone like I did and seen for y...Well you could have gone like I did and seen for yourself. I don't personally care what a person's sexual orientation is unless I'm dating them, so it really didn't interest me how many people in the crowd were gay or straight, but I did only see one rainbow flag compared to many more posters (you can see the photos at Ynet), Israeli flags or Jerusalem municipal flags, t-shirts, and stickers.<br /><br />Why did I demonstrate? I demonstrated against Haredi violence, and that the police don't arrest violent demonstrators, or if they do, they aren't put on trial. If the Haredi protests against Intel, Carta, the mother who was accused of abuse, etc. were peaceful I would not have gone.<br /><br />I also include in the list of offenses for which a person should be arrested, charged, tried, and convicted calling a policeman "Nazi", something I have seen happen myself at Carta numerous times.Warren Bursteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851196721637207769noreply@blogger.com