Sunday, April 19, 2009

Time Periods

B"H

From the Talmud Tractate Arachin 12b.
All dates are given according to the Jewish calendar and found approval by famous rabbis such as the Chazon Ish, (Rabbi Avraham Yeshaya Karelitz, 1878 - 1953), the Rambam (Maimonides - Moshe ben Maimon, 1135 - 1204) as well as Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki, 1040 - 1105).

Wandering in the desert (Moshe and the Israelites)
Beginning: 15 Nissan 2449
Length: 40 years

Conquest & Distribution of the Land of Israel
Beginning: 10 Nissan 2489
Length: 14 years

Settlement before the Temples
Beginning: Nissan 2503
Length: 426 years

First Temple
Beginning: Iyar 2929
Length: 410 years

The first Diaspora (Babylon) after the destruction of the Temple
Beginning: 9 Av 3338
Length: 70 years

Second Temple
Beginning: 24 Kislev 3409
Length: 420 years

Last Diaspora after the destruction of the Second Temple
Beginning: 9 Av 3829
Length: ?

4 comments:

  1. did you go the aharon shel pesach at toldos avrohom yitzhak ? we'd love to hear about it

    also -- you said a while ago that toldos aharon was getting many new members, but toldos avrohom yitzhak not so many why do you think that is -- hozrei b'tshuvah are drawn to the more extreme groups (from what you've written toldos aharon is more extreme than avrohom yitzhak)

    be well

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  2. B"H

    To my own shame I have to admit that I didn't go anywhere on Pessach. However, I am sure that the Toldot Aharon were completely packed and at such events, just like on Sukkot, it is almost impossible getting a place on the metal benches. Sometimes you walk into the Ezrat Nashim and there is just absolutely no space.

    The Toldot Avraham Yitzchak also draw many newcomers to them and I myself know a couple getting in quite fast.

    It seems to be the mentality of many Baalei Teshuva to look for something more extreme although they don't consider it as such. One reason may be the strive for perfecting oneself and another reason is, according to what I see, attraction.

    Countless people are attracted by societies which seem to be so different than others. If it is their clothes, their attitude or just their laws. There are lots of people who like that to be different.

    However, I am sure that the Toldot Aharon are aware of those being attracted and do take precautions such as long waiting periods or whatever.

    I would say that whoever doesn't make it can go to the Avraham Yitzchak and may find it easier. Also because the Avraham Yitzchak are a little more open (at least the Rebbe) and don't always stick in such an extreme sense to their Takanot (internal laws).

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  3. b"H

    Would be really interested by what you mean "waiting period"? Do people start to attend the shul and social circles and then at some point get accepted? How about the difference in clothes, as i see Toldos Aharon wearing the gold on Shabbes, would they begin this before or after being accepted (I appreciate this is a minor and relatively insignificant change - just interesting...)

    Do the people you know who entered the groups already speak Yiddish?

    One day will we see Miriam burn the jeans, shave the head run off into the aharon sunset? Or is the sidelines enough?

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  4. One day will we see Miriam burn the jeans, shave the head run off into the aharon sunset? Or is the sidelines enough?Do you have any idea how much this statement has been following me for the past ten years or so ?
    Since I got in touch with Chassidut, I cannot leave it anymore. But could I really live it ?
    Maybe, if I made a stronger effort and not be so lazy.
    Maybe not because my personlaity is changing all the time and as soon as you enter such a group, you have to be consistant.

    Well, I don't have an answer yet !

    Before you enter a chassidic group (except for Breslov and Chabad maybe) you have a trial period and only then become a full member. Some groups like Dushinsky have a year and others have up to three years.

    I think that, first, you keep on going to their shul on a regular basis. This way you get to know some people. In case you really want to become a member, maybe the Rebbe (or if a woman the Rebbitzen) will speak to you.

    I know a couple changing from one Chassidut into the next. Let's say from somewhere in the Agudah to an Edah group. Either Toldot Aharon or Avraham Yitzchak. You choose, as I don't want to reveal their identity.

    The Rebbe will probably tell a guy to only wear the new clothes after his full acceptance and not before.
    The couple I know: The guy wore his former chassidic clothes until he got accepted by the new group.

    Yiddish sometimes is a problem, as you should know it. There are people in Mea Shearim giving private lessons and if you don't know it, it will be hard within the group, as their members usually speak perfect Hebrew but no English.

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