Thursday, December 18, 2008

Claims against Haredim

B"H

Countless prejudices regarding Israeli Haredim are floating around. Not only in our country but also abroad. And sometimes I am really getting the impression that Diaspora Jews talk like they know our country much better than we Israelis do.:-)
At least, according to some comments from abroad.

What are the most common prejudices against Israeli haredi society ?

1. They don't go to the army.
Right, but you need to learn how to differentiate. It depends on the group and many other things. However, quite a few people do join the army (Nachal haCharedi).

2. They live in ghettos.
Sometimes, as they try to protect themselves.

3. They are being supported by the money of the tax payers and they themselves won't work.

4. They are all anti - Zionists.
It depends who.

5. They all want to force anyone else to keep the Torah.
It depends how the outside world understands it.

6. Their women are uneducated.
Depends on what your understanding of education is.

7. If no one else behaves as the Haredim want, they just beat people up or force them othewise.

Within the past few years, claims about haredi violence have been on the rise. Secular, national religious or even litvishe women, for instance, who claim that they got either yelled at or really physically attacked on public buses or elsewhere.

I am not denying that some cases may be true and if so, it is a horrible thing. Nevertheless, as soon as we hear about such claims we still need to be very careful. Especially today, many other society groups (secular or national religious) seem to hold a grudge for certain parts of haredi society. I spoke to some Haredim and asked about the reason such people might have. To be honest, I didn't get an answer. It sounds just like haredi society isn't too interested in the subject. Okay, there are people from the outside spreading rumours, so what ? Or to say it in Hebrew:
"Stam Shtuyiot - Just Nonsense".

The recent incident in Beit Shemesh has been discussed in many national religious and anti - religious blogs. Young people were attacked by some Jerusalem Chassidim (wearing golden coats on Shabbat). The blog world seems to jump on this particular incident. Anyway, I spoke to some Haredim from Beit Shemesh and they haven't heard about anything. No one was attacked lately.

You may argue that these Haredim lie but why should they ? In order to protect society ? Let me tell you there is not much more for a male Haredi than the latest gossip in society. Just look into Israeli haredi forums; and this particular attack hasn't been discussed once. In fact, the Haredim don't know about it.
This doesn't need to mean that the person being attacked lies; however, it does mean that blog readers or the public as a whole have to be very careful and if necessary, should further investigate. Not every attack reported to the press really took place.

So, what is the reason for such false accusations ? Specific groups have an interest in giving the Haredim a bad reputation ?
One Haredi told to me that those claims cause Meshiach not to come. Not only such behaviour but parts of it.

There is some truth in it although very much on both sides. Years ago, I was trying to be a Haredi myself and when I decided to leave, I had neither faced any violence nor was I pushed. My case was different anyway, as I wasn't born into society and thus people do have more patience than with someone born right into it.
What I remember very well is that especially the Haredim (at least most of them I knew then) supported me much more than any other Jewish society. And this, on the other hand, caused me always to come back into society. Even as a visitor or as someone supporting haredi ideas without being vey much haredi myself.

It goes without saying that there are violent groups within haredi society but, nevertheless, each case should be looked at carefully and individually, as sometimes the circumstances are much more complicated. Furthermore, other outsiders try to take advantage of the whole new "scandal" (if there is one) and thus put more and more fuel into the conflict.

4 comments:

  1. I live in Israel, have spent time in all areas including Mea Shearim. I am not charedi and it is obvious by my dress. Never has anyone even looked at me. I once got lost just as synagogue let out and looked up to see literally hundreds of streimels coming towards me. They split like the red sea--I walked right down the middle while they hugged the walls on either side and averted their gaze. This is the standard behaviour. Wierd, but definitely not violent. I agree there are some nuts (isn't there in every country?)but the majority of Haredi men would Never touch a strange woman for any reason. Yelling Shabbos--Yes, but touching or hitting--no. People who hate the Charedi seem to be blowing things out of proportion. Grow up guys--isn't it enough that the whole world is against us--do we have to forment hatred internally?

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  2. Modern Orthodox residents paint a very different picture. "Rocks, dirty diapers and tomatoes have been pelted at and damaged our hospital van," says Judy Lev, an emergency room nurse, who works at the Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem and is required to work on Saturdays. The zealots' loud screeching at cars traveling on Shabbat near religious precincts is offensive to the moderates, although they too would prefer cars to stay away from their neighborhoods on the day of rest.
    Sharon Ra'anan, an ex-Californian married with three children and a resident of bucolic Nofei Aviv, a modern Orthodox neighborhood of single family homes, reports that even "on a Tuesday" a friend's car was stoned as she drove through an adjoining zealot's neighborhood, Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet. A burning baby carriage was placed in the road, says Ra'anan. When her friend stopped her car to remove it, a brick was thrown into her back window narrowly missing her son. Ra'anan says it is unclear exactly why the woman was accosted, but the incident, she says, underscores the kind of hostile atmosphere, which has erupted in the town. She also knows of a doctor whose arm was broken "by hooligans" but could not elaborate on specific details and another modern Orthodox man who was roughed up by zealots. She also cites the case of a woman who had been harassed after she chose to sit in the forward "men's section" seating area of a neighborhood bus.


    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331195685&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016870.html

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3552461,00.html

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  3. "There are some of them but the "hardcore" like those chassidic groups of the anti - Zionist umbrella organization "Edah HaCharedit" don't accept government money and receive their support from US donors. The same with the original descendantsof the students of the Vilna Gaon (litvish)."

    I would suggest that you suggest your facts.

    Even the members of the Edah receive Bituach leumi, funding for kollelim, and other government benefits. They are living on the dole as much as every one else.

    The Edah Hacharedis cheders and girl schools (elementary) claim that they don't take money from the government. In fact, with the exception of one or two schools, they all get funding, just not directly, but by enrolling the students in non-Edah schools and cheders. Also, these insitutions get funding from the local government (or at least they did until Barkat got elected!) -- including free heating, security guards, and a host of other benefits.

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  4. B"H

    Can you give a specific example ?

    I know some of the schools and know how bad the situation is financially. The groups I am talking about do not receive govenrment funds but almost entirely depend on public donors. And those donors, on the other hand, in most cases have to be Shomrei Shabbat !

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